Friday 22 October 2010

Straw poll

Just to warn you that this post is about (a) my pregnancy going slightly awry, although hopefully not completely off the rails. Just call me the girl who cried pregnant. Also (b) Jessica. So you may want to skip if either of these are likely to upset you.

I've had a rotten day today. First, a rather unexpected encounter at Jessica's nursery and then an alarming bleed which sent me scurrying up to the hospital. Everything looked ok on the scan but as ever, they don't want to give me any false hope. Sigh.

Anyway, I just want to conduct a little bit of a straw poll as I need the collective wisdom of the interwebz.

When I went to go and pick up Jessica her key worker (a young man) came marching up to me and told me, in front of several other parents, that she had been an absolute monster (straight face, presumably not a cute monster or a funny monster).
That she didn't listen.
That she had hit another child and, when told not to, had apparently hit the same child again.
That she kept sitting under the table even though he had told her not to.
That putting her in 'time out' didn't have any impact.
That if things didn't improve we should have a meeting with the special educational needs co-ordinator.

I left completely shocked and horrified.

Jessica doesn't always listen to me.
I haven't used 'time out' because I don't think she's old enough to understand the concept yet.
I have never, ever, ever seen her hit or push another child in all the time I've spent with her and other children (lots). Not to say that she isn't capable of it (I'm under no illusions on this front) but it surprised me. I've always taught her to be gentle. Mainly consisting of grabbing her hand mid smack and pulling gently down the side of my own face and saying 'gently, gently.' To randomly attack another child, to the extent of this young man needing to inform me of it, seems . . a little out of character?
She is allowed to sit under the table at home. Perhaps I shouldn't let her?

I just don't know how I can improve the situation. She is two years and two months which makes her twenty two months biologically but I've been told to knock off a bit more given her shaky start so I'll go for a nice round twenty months biological age. But she is tall and sturdy and perhaps they expect more of her because of that?
She has perhaps five reliable words still, absolute tops.
She quite often knows I'm talking to her, or telling her off, and chooses to laugh it off.
I take her hands, crouch down to her level, look her dead in the eye and say 'no' firmly. I don't laugh or smile. But she laughs.
If I raise my voice, she cries.
I'm not about to start smacking her wrist or anything.
I just don't think she has any 'sense' yet as such. I can't argue with her, rationalize with her, debate with her. All I can think of to do is try and get her attention and say 'no'.

I don't know.

I think that she is only little and I simply wouldn't expect her to listen consistently or to sit in a 'time out' chair for any length of time.

Lovely people out there, am I expecting too little of her? Or are they expecting too much?
Should she be able to do these things and I've sent her off to nursery ill-equipped?

I'm certainly appalled that she hit another child. I would have come down on her like a ton of bricks if I'd been there because that sort of thing really makes me mad.

I just feel awful. I know I'm super sensitive anyway so, when pregnant and particularly in a' this pregnancy is possibly going quite badly wrong' situation, I've become super super super sensitive and I'm taking all this to heart more than I should.

I'm so worried I've let Jessica down and let her become a bully and a spoilt brat.
I don't think any parent wants that for their child. But I don't know what to do to help her.

Any tips? Or am I already a day late and a dollar short?

In an aside, when I told my Dad this story, he reminded me about the time that Brown Owl threatened to evict me from Brownies. Perhaps she gets it from me?

41 comments:

  1. oh hun I am so behind!!! I hardly ever get on here anymore. Congrats on the pregnancy!! and I hope the bleed is nothing serious! My pregnancy has been very very complicated and has had many ups, downs and scares. so I def understand the stress and how scary it must be for you!

    <3 keeping you and your little ones in my thoughts

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  2. First, I wanted to congratulate you on your pregnancy. This is a wonderful thing! I need to catch up on your blog and find out what has been going on.

    My daughter is just a baby so I don't have experience on the parenting side if your issue. But I did get my degree ub child development and I taught toddlers for done time, as well as teaching elementary for ten years. Anyway, the fact that the teacher approached you in front if other parents makes me question his judgement, and therefore I don't know if I could trust his point of view on your daughter completely. To immediately tell you that she needs to be evaluated or whatever and this us the first time you've heard this-is a bit out there. Can you talk to the person in charge? If you get the same opinion from many teachers than maybe it us something to deal with.

    Her behavior sounds very toddler-like. Okay I'm going to leave another comment in a bit-got to take care of a screaming baby.

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  3. Fingers crossed that your pregnancy goes UBER well. And prayers too :)

    As to Jess... Honestly, I am appalled at the teacher's behavior!!! That is something that he should talk to you alone about! I'd also want to talk to other adults who have had dealings with her. Is this consistent? Or is this his opinion?

    Sitting under the table- is that bad? Bobby and Maya sit under the table...

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  4. Firstly, you go into the nursery, you find the manager and you tell them in no uncertain terms that if your daughter is ever discussed publicly like that again, you'll make a formal complaint and copy Ofsted in on it.

    Then you ask, blandly, if they often find it hard to cope with a toddler having a difficult day.

    Then you ask if they belong to the style of nursery that seeks to crush individuality and could they give you a written explanation of why it is a problem for a 2 year old to sit under a table.

    Then you sit and wait - if she's really been dreadful in an out of character way, I bet you you are 3 days off chicken pox :)

    And breathe. In between not breathing. Thinking of you.

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  5. As the mother of five kiddos, one of whom has bi polar disorder and a brain injury, a pre medical psychology major with only two classes to go (math...groan...) and the wife of a therapist/social worker....and the previous owner of a successful daycare...it is completely normal for a two year old to hit, want to be under the table (a perfectly cozy place to get quiet) and just be a little girl. This young man was OUT OF LINE calling her a monster (!!!!) This young man needs to find a different job if he isn't familiar with normal child behavior. Period. 2 year olds are learning social graces...they don't already know them. Especially 2 year olds who don't have older sibs to share with on a daily basis. Sharing and interacting are LEARNED skills, but we don't expect a two year old to have them mastered. We gently teach...and from what you say, you are doing a great job. She laughs at you...so smile back, and say "Jessica, I am a person and you can't hit( or bite, slap or violate) people or animals. You CAN hit this pillow/doll/whatever inanimate object you like if you feel angry." She WILL learn it. We all need to learn how to direct frustration appropriately, and I assure you that calling a TWO year old a monster is NOT handling frustration appropriately. I would find a new center or talk to the head instructor. NOW.

    Honestly, it is waaaaay to early to assess her as a monster, spoiled brat...or whatever. Two is very young...and in our modern world we often have to put our little ones in care away from home which is not really normal developmentally. You can expect it to be stressful for her, and her caregivers need to expect that as well and SUPPORT her as she learns, LOVINGLY, how to cope socially.

    I really feel frustrated at the lack of understanding in SOME care providers, many of whom don't have kids or have little or no training. Or even worse, just totally unrealistic expectations for children.

    Sweetie...I'm sorry you had to deal with an incompetent man who should find another vocation as he is clearly unsuited for the job he has chosen.

    Thinking warm thoughts of your pregnancy....I hear you. ((HUG))

    Love,
    sara

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  6. I didn't know you were pregnant. Hope you get a trouble free long 9 months. xxx

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  7. Obviously, I don't know you or Jessica in "real life." But I was a preschool teacher for several years and based on the way this caregiver handled the situation (TOTALLY unprofessional), I really wouldn't worry too much about what he said. Personally, I would probably get angry and stew about it for awhile, and then just shrug it off. Jessica is a toddler! Toddlers do those things. Toddlers also have off days, just like everybody else. To jump straight to calling for a special-needs meeting is completely ridiculous. He was probably just insulted by a two year old's disrespect, which is immature and frankly even a little embarrassing. To call your daughter a name at all -- let alone in front of other parents -- is appalling, and he owes everyone involved an apology.

    What he should have done was asked you politely if you would join him for a moment to discuss Jessica's day, and then told you in private that she had had a rough time, and detailed her unusual behavior, and asked you if you thought there was any reason she might be particularly frustrated or if there was anything going on at home that they should be aware of.

    *indignant growly noise*

    This can hardly be called a comment anymore, it's so long. But I'm done ranting now. And I am sending love and hope and courage and strength your way. Grow, baby, grow...

    --vera

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  8. I second what these other ladies said. I cannot believe he would do this in a public place. Horrifyingly unprofessional. So unprofessional I would personally make a complaint. And all those things are perfectly normal. Everyone has a bad day. Every. Person.

    And congratulations on your pregnancy. I had no idea. I am really so far behind on blog reading. Much love.

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  9. It all sounds really dreadful - hope that bleed turns out to be nothing and that the rest of the pregnancy is smooth sailing...

    Do you get daily or weekly report cards from the daycare? I have friends who do - so you can see a documented pattern of behavior.

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  10. Just echoing everyone else ... you are NOT over reacting. If they had genuine concerns, they should have been addressed professionally and privately - they were not and you are right to be angry.

    And, seriously, that sounds like TOTALLY normal toddler behaviour to me - especially a toddler who doesn't have many words to express her frustrations. And if it's not normal, then my gorgeous, feisty, adorable, well adjusted 6 year old was not "normal" either. Nor my friends little 2 year old who lay on the wet, muddy ground today and screamed because mum wasn't walking fast enough and ... and...

    I truly, truly hope that you get some respite with pregnancy worries and get a hefty dose of "boring" (aka straightforward) pregnancy from here on in.

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  11. I think that the blame likely lies with the guy at the daycare. Back when I worked with kids (of all ages) I found that my moods were contagious. If I was impatient with them they started to feel uncomfortable and acted out in various ways. I would imagine that someone childish and unprofessional enough to discuss Jessica in front of other parents is capable of childish and unprofessional behavior throughout the day. If Jessica actually acted out it was probably because she was confused/frustrated by him.

    Even if this turns out to be a one-off for you and Jessica, you should probably let his boss know that he was out of line in talking about your child in front of other parents. He needs to be corrected.

    Hope everything's still ok with little baby to be.

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  12. Completely normal behavior for your little girl during a nursery school day. The young teacher calling her a monster in front of others was out of line. I would also have a meeting with the director and tell them this occurred. Now, since she did behave out of character, I would also say that this is part of growing up, making mistakes and learning from them. Everyone needs to learn good behavior and it starts in early childhood! Good girl Jessica for learning about your world!

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  13. Oh, Catherine. I too missed the pregnancy announcement. I don't get to the blogs much these days as I mainly rely on my phone for electronic communication and it's difficult for me to read, comment, etc. on blogs from my phone. I really should improve.

    I will be praying that all is well with you and baby. It's terribly frightening, I know. I'm thinking of you and holding you close.

    As far as Jessica goes, yes that dude was way out of line. Get over yourself dude! I don't think he should turn a daycare problem into your problem. He needs to work with Jessica and teach her proper behavior, just like he should be doing with all children under his care. I'd be less worried about Jessica's behavior and more worried about his.

    Peace, my friend.

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  14. Carherine! You and your baby are in my thoughts. I know we know the worst of what can happen in a pregnancy. However, I also bled my entire first trimester of my first pregnancy, and delivered a 35 wk little boy who is currently driving me crazy in the best way. So don't lose hope, even if you are fearing the worst. I'm hoping for you, too.
    Although I'm not an expert on early childhood development in general, like many other of the comments, I'll tell you it is completely normal for a 2 yr old to bite, or hit, or sit under a table. A child having difficulty expressing themselves verbally is quite likely to strike out phyiscally in some way. I think you got some good advice in explaining why this isnt ok to her and giving her alternatives.
    Here in the states, time-outs are said to supposed to last one minute per age year. So, less than 2 minutes for her. I waited until my son was almost 3 to use them, I don't think he really got the concept until then. But every kid is different.
    The employee of that nursery should find another career. How inappropriate to discuss your child in that way, and in front of others!
    That being said, if there are developmental or educational milestones she is missing, I don't see the harm in an evaluation (I may be a bit biased ;) ). Having a son with a few struggles of his own, I feel I will never be sorry for too much investigating, and I don't want to look back and regret leaving a stone unturned. But that's just me :)
    You know you can always email me if you want any speech related questions answered, if I can. Sorry for the LONG comment. Take care of yourself.

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  15. I hope that things have settled down by morning and that all the scary stuff stops.

    I agree with the other ladies with toddler experience that occasionally 2 years old have bad days like the rest of us, they just don`t have the ability to decide how to best express it.

    And at D`s old daycare, they stressed redirecting a child`s attention when they hit or bite because at that age they can`t understand that punishment(time out) is a consequence of bad behaviour. Time out was only used a place to calm down so that you can talk to them about what they did and how to do better next time.

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  16. I'm sorry you had to go to the hospital and deal with a pregnancy scare. I am hoping everything is ok.

    I don't have any experience with raising children. Can I still answer your poll? She sounds like a toddler. You could very easily insert my three year old niece's name and it sounds like how she occasionally behaved when she was two.

    I wouldn't be too concerned, aside from being concerned at the obviously very nonprofessional behavior of the young man who confronted you.

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  17. First, let me send you my congratulations on your pregnancy! I have not had a lot of time since the summer ended to read or even write any blogs so I'm far behind. I'll keep you in my thoughts and hope that things go along nicely.

    Second, I have to agree with many of the comments above. My son is in a daycare, and all the staff are very private when they have something negative to tell me that has happened that day. I'd say all Jessica's behaviours are completely normal for her age. A thought that crossed my mind was that sometimes, kids just are not comfortable with their caregivers and need a shift in care. You could consider a different daycare, or maybe one with fewer kids like a home run one?

    I've been reading this great book recently. It's called "The happiest toddler on the block", by Harvey Karp, M.D. It explains our toddlers ability to communicate and interact based on the development of their brain and then then gives ways to communicate with your toddler so that they understand you, and you them. Even if you don't want to communicate how he suggests, I still feel that he has many other great insights into our toddlers behaviour. I highly recommend it!

    About the smiling thing, Ethan does that too, and this book explained that they smile b/c they are looking for approval from you with a smile. A smile is a way of communicating whether you like it or not. If you don't smile though, Jessica learns that what she did was not acceptable. Also, sometimes if I raise my voice with Ethan he gets really upset too. I think he just really understands tone better sometimes and gets upset that he upset Mommy. Too many words are confusing, and toddlers really understand facial expressions, tone, body language and simple speech way better if you want to get your point across. Maybe the daycare doesn't get this??

    Good luck, and if you want to pick my brain any more, just send me an email!

    XOXO, Andrea

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  18. I agree with the others here... what Jessica is doing is totally normal! I haven't had a 2 year old, BUT I have taught and worked with many of them. And unfortunately hitting and not listening goes with the territory. That's when the teaching begins.

    And I feel awful that I missed the pregnancy announcement. That is wonderful news and I am going to do my best to follow along better! Best of luck- fingers crossed and prayers being said for a wonderful, uneventful pregnancy. You deserve it. xo

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  19. K is 22 months. We have taught her to be gentle, and I know she can be. She also grabs, hits, and kicks sometimes. We continue to discourage it. Sometimes telling her not to hit seems to make her do it again. Do I like it when she acts this way? No, but it seems like normal behavior for her age. Your response sounds perfectly appropriate. K also likes to sit under a table. Sometimes she calls it a "housey." And she often doesn't do what she is told to do, or does it kicking and screaming. Again, seems normal for her age.

    Holding hope for you and a healthy pregnancy—and sorry you are having bleeding and scares. Hope that passes and things progress smoothly from here on out.

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  20. Anyway...I do feel that her behavior is normal toddler behavior. I think that once you are able to have a fee days to breathe, you will see that this teacher was out of line. I can tell that you are a wonderful parent.

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  21. Hello I am new to your blog but thought I would add my tuppence worth (my children are 21 years, 19 years and 20 months, yeah tell me about it), anyway. If she has never hit before (as far as you know), its likely she is either copying other children at the nursery or she is trying it out to see what happens, the sencond smack was probably for confirmation. There is a chance she wont do it again, but then again she may feel the need to check that the reaction she gets is consistent. I wouldnt be worried about it unless she was in a rage at the same time, in which case I would think there may be more too it. Nearly ALL children hit at one time or other, parents just dont like to talk about it.
    As for the table thing, I doubt she could see what the big deal is especially if she sits under the table at home. They should think themselves lucky she was sitting under it and not trying to climb up and jump off it, (they havent met my toddler lol).
    I would also ask if any future communication about your child be done in private (I guess they must have an office?), because frankly its no one else's business.
    V
    xxx

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  22. Catherine, Jessica is but two. She is testing her boundaries. She is just a tender young life learning the ways of this world. You are right not to give her time out, it will only confuse her. If we adults do not behave perfectly every single moment, what right do we have to expect that young children are perfect every moment too?
    ((hugs))

    And I am happy to hear about your pregnancy, Sending mighty good thoughts to you. xo

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  23. Catherine, I wanted to reply last night, but was called away.
    I'm sorry you have the worry of some bleeding, I'm hoping it's really just a blip in a long healthy pregnancy.

    As for Jessica, she's two! Two year olds sit under tables, they sometimes hit, and they should never be put in time out,cos they just don't get it!
    This nursery worker needs a reality check, and some re training.
    I hope you take this matter further.
    (and fwiw I had a similar situation with my Eden when she was just under three, the playgroup leader responsible was fired and rightly so.)
    x

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  24. Thank you so much everyone. I'm so grateful for all your words, advice and experience. I felt SO upset about this yesterday but now I think I'm getting it in perspective! Poor old Jessica isn't a bully or a monster, she was probably just having a bad day or an 'experimenting' day. And this young man probably had a headache or was having a crisis of confidence in his choice of career or something? Who knows.
    Thank you so, so much. xo

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  25. my 50 cents...
    i think jessica's nursery school has some slightly unreasonable expectations for a 2-year-old. or like you said, the guy was having an off day himself.
    i've seen a lot of kids hit/push/bite others. if the behavior is chronic and becomes a persistent problem, they speak to the parent (i have been spoken to about naomi's biting at daycare). but i've never heard them call a child a monster, especially after one bad day.
    in my limited experience, kids seem to have bad days just like adults do. it doesn't mean they're spoiled or a bully.
    about sitting under the table, i think they probably don't want kids regularly doing something different during times when all the kids are supposed to be doing something together, like circle time or something, to prevent chaos if all the kids wanted to do it. but again, if jessica was having as bad a day as it sounds like, i would hope they would notice and allow her some leeway.
    my niece is about jessica's age and i think she likes to sit under the table too. naomi is younger but she is actually sitting under the table right now. ;)
    i'm sorry about the bleeding. it's scary whenever it happens, even after you've seen with your own eyes that everything is ok (as it can be) in there.
    i think you're doing fine with jessica. i've often marveled at how naomi can be so...i don't know, physical?...when i've tried to teach her to be pretty docile. they are going to be who they are going to be, though. we can guide them but we can't fit them into a mold they aren't meant to be in. (well, we could, but in my mind it wouldn't be the best way.)
    HUGS!

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  26. Catherine- I completely agree with with all of the wonderful comments you have gotten here.
    Your daughter sounds like a normal toddler who is behaving in normal manners for her age.
    I do think that you should talk to someone in charge at her nursery so that she in not treated in a manner that is inconsistent with the love and care she deserves.

    I continue to think of you as you journey through this new pregnancy- sending you tons of love and grace. Please keep us posted- I hope this bleed will stop so that you can have some peace of mind and a healthy journey in the months ahead.
    L

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  27. i think merry's advice is spot on. as usual :)

    PLEASE complain about this guy. (unless he apologises off his own bat.) he was COMPLETELY unprofessional and CANNOT be allowed to think that that was a reasonable way to approach a parent.

    i think the others are right about her hitting the other child again to test the reactions/boundaries.

    and what the hell's up with sitting under the table? sometimes i wish i could still get away with that.

    and i think she's too young for time out too.

    there is plenty of time for imposing rules she can understand when she actually understands them. for the minute, she's doing fine. and so are you. i promise.

    and you know i'm hoping all is well pregnancy-wise. sending hugs xx

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  28. That "care-provider" is a complete wanker and shouldn't be ANYWHERE near kids!!!! How dare he??? Her behaviour is completely normal do not stress over it at all. Definitely agree with Merry, go in and make a complaint. It was very umproffesional and showed a distinct lack of understanding of children. She's only 2. Gee, that would be normal behaviour for a four/five year old having a bad day. Seriously, don't stress. I get the mummy guilt, been there with Caelan. That teacher was way out of line.

    I'm so sorry about the bleeding and the stress that it is causing. Sending many 'sticky, stay safe' vibes. xxx

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  29. Got here a little late-and didn't read all the comments, but:
    1. I'm praying SO hard for your little bean. SO SO hard.
    2. It seems like, for some reason, all of my friends have 2 year olds or almost 2 year olds and they do ALL of those things. And they randomly throw themselves on the ground screaming! And some of them bite! And sometimes I find it hysterical, which does not make the moms and dads happy (but the baby thinks they are hilarious!). But-really-that guys is nuts to call your sweet girl a monster, yo! Way out of line. You are a great mama and I have a feeling youa re doing all the right things!

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  30. Hi Catherine,
    Oh hun, you are dealing with a lot right now. Everyone's words of advice are right on. I am completely appalled that the school didn't talk to you about Jessica privately...and if things are really that bad they should have mentioned things the entire time. The threat of special educational needs services is awful. Hang in there with her...she is only 20 months. This tends to be a difficult time. Just remember to set up expectations that are reasonable for her at home and stay with them. It will help her know what she's supposed to be doing...and maybe it will carry over to school. Transitions such as nursery school can be very difficult for little ones, so just keep hoping for the best. Hang in there... ((hugs)). By the way, I'll be thinking of you with this new baby on the way.

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  31. Catherine, congratulations on your pregnancy, I hope it soon becomes very boring!

    I can only echo the other comments. Two years is far too young for labels!

    xxx

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  32. OK, so I'm really cross at this key worker. If he had such grave concerns over her behaviour then for this to be the first time you've heard of them, and in this manner... it's a fucking shocker. Complain. Absolutely complain.

    I hope everything is OK with your current pregnancy my dear x

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  33. OMG How did I miss that you're pregnant? Congratulations, Catherine! I will be praying for a safe, smooth pregnancy for you.

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  34. I'm just reading your news now and am so happy for you and your pregnancy. That is just wonderful.

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  35. Catherine, everything I wanted to say has been said quite eloquently by the wise women who've posted before.

    As the parent of small, strong-willed people, I have to say that I would worry about the kids who don't test boundaries. ;-)

    I am late on congratulating you on your pregnancy. I truly and sincerely hope that all is and remains well.

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  36. Oh my gosh, I didn't know you were pregnant!! Congratulations :) I am not sure how I missed that wonderful news. Sorry you had a bad day. I wish I had some advice for you, but I don't. I do not like how that guy made you feel though.

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  37. So sorry you had a day like this. I'm hoping very hard that all is well now.

    From what I've been told, testing boundaries is practically your *job* when you are two years old. And I'm sincerely puzzled about why Jessica's sitting under a table upset this caregiver so much when it seems like such a benign and normal thing for a toddler to do.

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  38. Catherine-- As you may have gleaned from a recent post on my blog as well as my recent absence, I quite literally shut myself off from the grieving mama world for the past several weeks just out of sheer necessity. But as a result, I've missed so much. I just glanced at GITW and saw that not only are you pregnant, but we appear to be on track for the same due date. I am so happy for you and yet I also totally understand all of the incredibly complicated emotions, particularly the fear. I am so sorry that your body appears to be giving you a hard time and I have everything possible crossed for you that this bleed really is nothing. I have one friend who bled heavily all the way from 10 weeks to 15 weeks and now has a happy 21-month-old. If you ever want to communicate out of the public eye, please feel free to email me at mhitchcock at alumni dot unc dot edu. Thinking about you so, so much.

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  39. Congratulations on your pregnancy, Hoping you have a peaceful carefree happy 9 months. Lets hope I can join you soon, we did clomid this month and I will be testing in about a week.

    As for Jessica, she sounds just like Lillian. Lily is now 22 months old, she was born at 29 weeks gestation, but was IUGR. I certainly wouldn't expect anything more from her, and we do not do time outs. At this stage we are still just trying to redirect. And every toddler hits, don't feel bad.

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  40. Afraid I can't offer any wise words on raising toddlers, but thankfully, you've got lots here already. Glad to hear the scan was reassuring after your bleeding scare - I hope that you keep getting those reassuring scans. xxxxh

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  41. I'll echo what others have said - this is SO completely normal 2-year-old behavior! She doesn't understand yet that what she does hurts other people - her brain hasn't developed enough. She doesn't have empathy to that degree. Self control? Nope. It'll come, with time.

    You are NOT raising a monster, you are raising a typical toddler. Trust me. And time outs -- they don't work. She needs someone to model what TO do: "We don't hit. Use words to tell so-and-so what's upsetting you" (you will have to supply words for her - she's too little to know herself). Have her say sorry, then redirect her to something else. If nobody shows her what to do, she won't know how to handle herself! (Check out Conscious Discipline by Becky Bailey - google it for more info.)

    That nursery worker was wrong and totally out of line. I would bring it up to a supervisor, definitely.

    And I hope the pregnancy is ok. Prayers & hugs.

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